Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change!
Author: mook
Date: 01-21-2015 - 15:13

No scientist will claim that one "hottest" year makes a trend, but it's consistent with the general predictions of the models that we should be having more hot years than otherwise. And just because it's hot on average doesn't mean there aren't some cold spots - it's winter after all, and weather happens.

There are differences of opinion as to why things are getting hotter. Opinion doesn't need to be fact-based. There are good scientific reasons to believe that human activity is contributing in a significant way. But you don't have to "believe" that WE are doing it to observe what's happening.

If you want a trains connection: projections based on observed rates of sea level rise (based on observed water temperature and land-based ice melt, to a large degree) show that they will certainly be a couple of feet higher by mid-century, and probably on the order of 3m higher by 2100. Add to that the effect of tides and storms. Fixed assets like railroads take a while to move or reconstruct. So how many key segments of railroads are likely to need attention - raising grade, adding seawalls, or even relocation - in 20-30-50-100 years. Major structures like bridges usually have a 100-year or so design lift; for those in areas with tidal action, were they designed to work with sea level 10 feet higher? Worth thinking about in terms of capital and operational planning.

The Davos story, from whatever branch of The Press, was really a dig at the people getting together. They'll talk about global warming. How much CO2 did they all add to the atmosphere getting there and home again? Compared, say, to running Amtrak for (how long)? Or running somebody's (France?) HSR for (how long)?



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! mook 01-21-2015 - 08:45
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Taxpayer 01-21-2015 - 09:36
  Re: Wow? BOB2 01-21-2015 - 09:41
  Re: Wow? >:( 01-21-2015 - 10:16
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Bruce Kelly 01-21-2015 - 09:42
  Wow Taxpayer 01-21-2015 - 10:23
  Re: Wow? BOB2 01-21-2015 - 11:28
  Re: Wow! BOB2 Bob3 01-21-2015 - 12:11
  Re: Wow! BOB2 BOB2 01-21-2015 - 12:24
  Re: Wow david vartanoff 01-22-2015 - 09:45
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Al Tomante 01-21-2015 - 11:16
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! mook 01-21-2015 - 12:05
  They should be forced to paddle a balsa raft to a coral attol..... Pdxrailtransit 01-21-2015 - 12:16
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Bruce Kelly 01-21-2015 - 12:18
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Agent 99 01-21-2015 - 13:09
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! mook 01-21-2015 - 15:13
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Bruce Kelly 01-21-2015 - 15:54
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Jim Rygg 01-21-2015 - 17:24
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! David Smith 01-21-2015 - 17:36
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos ... mook 01-21-2015 - 22:49
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Haha 01-21-2015 - 22:16
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Dynamic Dan 01-22-2015 - 06:30
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Ed Workman 01-22-2015 - 08:16
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! mook 01-22-2015 - 09:41
  Re: @ Mook Fan of bikes, buses & boxcars 01-22-2015 - 17:41
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! OERM Otaku 01-22-2015 - 07:53
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Manifest Destiny was a scam 01-22-2015 - 10:11
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! David Smith 01-22-2015 - 18:24
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Jeff A 01-22-2015 - 19:20
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Agent 99 01-22-2015 - 20:41
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Edward 01-22-2015 - 21:26
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" Quinn 01-22-2015 - 23:14
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" Edward 01-23-2015 - 00:04
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" David Smith 01-23-2015 - 22:42
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" Edward 01-23-2015 - 23:04
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" Fan of bikes, buses & boxcars 01-24-2015 - 05:20
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" mook 01-24-2015 - 09:22
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets "This REport" mook 01-24-2015 - 11:06
  Re: OT: 1700 private jets to Davos to discuss climate change! Max Wyss 01-23-2015 - 03:25
  Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? BOB2 01-24-2015 - 07:37
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? Craig Tambo 01-24-2015 - 11:59
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? David Smith 01-24-2015 - 13:16
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? mook 01-24-2015 - 17:11
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? 1972 vega 01-24-2015 - 20:19
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? David Smith 01-24-2015 - 20:58
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? mook 01-24-2015 - 22:12
  Re: Re:Facts Don't Really Matter-Do They? Craig Tambo 01-24-2015 - 22:48
  Hey BOOB2! Bob4 01-26-2015 - 07:21
  @ Bob3 Fan of bikes, buses & boxcars 01-26-2015 - 15:25
  Re: @ Bob4 Fan of bikes, buses & boxcars 01-26-2015 - 15:27


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