Xonstruction in the canyon
Author: Espee99
Date: 07-05-2015 - 07:51

A few year ago Caltrans tried to do some improvements to hiway 84 which also shares Niles Canyon. They were stopped cold by the Alameda County Water District which owns the creek and all its water. Seems that the creek is protected by federal mandates to protect the Steelhead trout habitat (not that any get there from the bay) and the cost of working on the road sky rocketed due to the mitigation of the environmental impacts.

I would assume that any changes that would effect the topology would be costly even by ACE and UP standards. UP would not be exempt from the environmental review processes required to straighten the line for higher speeds.

When you read the report, it seems they want a freight only, siding to allow a passing lane for UP frieght trains when the number of ACE train runs are increased. Improving the existing line with ties and rail and surfacing should meet that objective without the need to increase speeds on a short nine mile section of the line.

Again all of this is speculation, NCRY may have moved by then, remember Point Richmond. Other options exist i.e. moving freight traffic through Oakland, actually scheduling the trains both frieght and passenger (like CN did), accepting an operational limit and working with it......

Either way, what ever happens will be 10-15 year from now and for sure things will change before then.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Mr. Crazy 07-01-2015 - 08:06
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group wsabo 07-01-2015 - 09:16
  Train hater? BOB2 07-01-2015 - 10:00
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Central Scruitinizer 07-01-2015 - 12:37
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group flyonthewall 07-01-2015 - 17:31
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group You Snooze You Cruze 07-01-2015 - 17:40
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Randy Hearst 07-01-2015 - 17:49
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Bill Hough 07-01-2015 - 20:20
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Negin 07-01-2015 - 20:44
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? BOB2 07-02-2015 - 09:36
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? wsabo 07-02-2015 - 11:05
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Shortline Sammie 07-02-2015 - 12:05
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 11:52
  Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Margaret (SP fan) 07-02-2015 - 13:54
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? BOB2 07-02-2015 - 14:43
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 14:55
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Negin 07-02-2015 - 16:38
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 14:50
  Re: The scoping of this seems somewhat flawed? BOB2 07-02-2015 - 17:01
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Transportation Planner 07-02-2015 - 21:41
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Tony Johnson 07-02-2015 - 21:27
  Funding vs. needs for transit PRR Gotham Limited 07-01-2015 - 18:08
  Re: Funding vs. needs for transit Cprr 07-02-2015 - 19:41
  Re: Funding vs. needs for transit OPRRMS 07-02-2015 - 21:07
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Chas 07-02-2015 - 20:31
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 23:00
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group rusticmike 07-03-2015 - 06:54
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. BOB2 07-03-2015 - 07:49
  Re: NILES to HEARST via NCRy ... KRK 07-03-2015 - 08:11
  Re: Yes, Niles to Hearst- BOB2 07-03-2015 - 08:41
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Negin 07-03-2015 - 10:01
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Ee 07-03-2015 - 11:30
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Negin 07-03-2015 - 12:32
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Ee 07-03-2015 - 13:02
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? Mr. Crazy 07-03-2015 - 15:04
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? mook 07-03-2015 - 15:55
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? Dr Zarkoff 07-03-2015 - 20:20
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? Negin 07-03-2015 - 16:56
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. E 07-03-2015 - 17:33
  Xonstruction in the canyon Espee99 07-05-2015 - 07:51
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Mr. Crazy 07-05-2015 - 13:35
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Espee99 07-05-2015 - 15:16
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-05-2015 - 18:56
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon fkrock 07-06-2015 - 08:05
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 10:56
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon fkrock 07-06-2015 - 14:54
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 15:35
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Cainrockyardmaster 07-09-2015 - 18:09
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-09-2015 - 20:26
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon mook 07-06-2015 - 13:47
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 14:34
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon mook 07-06-2015 - 10:02
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 11:29
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon mook 07-06-2015 - 13:35
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 14:59


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