Re: Xonstruction in the canyon
Author: Dr Zarkoff
Date: 07-05-2015 - 18:56

>It appears that the right of way was not railbanked. In an application for National Historical designation I found the following. So it seems that Alameda county is the controlling party, if they want NCRY to stay and they allow UP to use their rails UP cannot dictate the circumstances.

The railbanking thing predates the SP's abandonment of the Niles line by two years, and you can bet your bottom dollar they put the R/W under the railbanking act. To be absolutely sure requires finding the filing which was probably made at the time, not what some bureaucrat has written 30 years later.

From that first item you listed (85-077991):

"Except as otherwise provided in this Act, any and all right, title, or interest of the United States in the real property described in section 3 shall be retained and managed by the Secretary of the Interior for use as a public recreational trail or for other recreational purposes, as well as for such other uses as the Secretary may determine to be appropriate pursuant to applicable law, so long as such uses do not preclude trail use."

That settles the question asked earlier of "who owns a right of way when it's in the rail bank program?" The answer is the US Department of the Interior, and I notice the very same Department oversees the Historic District business.

88-15072 is a city document which recommends the sale of some acreage in downtown Pleasanton. This is not where the NCRy is operating nor will ever be. I suspect the county's acquiring actual ownership from the Department of the Interior, which is permitted under the law, is mixed up with the re-routing of the former WP line to the SP's alignment (or something along these lines) through town in the 1990s. Wasn't the former WP line through the golf course removed about this time also?

WRM has also done this "historic district" thing with it's SN trackage, but this didn't take the R/W out of the rail banking program. I suspect if you dig through all the legalese and documents thoroughly, you'll find exactly the same is true for PLA's railroad: although a "historic district" has been declared, Ala Co is still the custodian of the R/W under the rail banking act apparatus, and PLA is using on a "lessee" basis (or something to that effect). Besides, Federal Law will pre-empt local, and if some genuine railroad operator files the necessary certificate of need, and it gets approved, Ala Co will cease being the caretaker and PLA will have to rip up or sell it's track. As I mentioned before, "never say never", and I do hope this doesn't happen.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Mr. Crazy 07-01-2015 - 08:06
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group wsabo 07-01-2015 - 09:16
  Train hater? BOB2 07-01-2015 - 10:00
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Central Scruitinizer 07-01-2015 - 12:37
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group flyonthewall 07-01-2015 - 17:31
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group You Snooze You Cruze 07-01-2015 - 17:40
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Randy Hearst 07-01-2015 - 17:49
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Bill Hough 07-01-2015 - 20:20
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Negin 07-01-2015 - 20:44
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? BOB2 07-02-2015 - 09:36
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? wsabo 07-02-2015 - 11:05
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Shortline Sammie 07-02-2015 - 12:05
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 11:52
  Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Margaret (SP fan) 07-02-2015 - 13:54
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? BOB2 07-02-2015 - 14:43
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 14:55
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Negin 07-02-2015 - 16:38
  Re: Then who actually owns and conttrols the use of the Niles Canyon RoW? Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 14:50
  Re: The scoping of this seems somewhat flawed? BOB2 07-02-2015 - 17:01
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Transportation Planner 07-02-2015 - 21:41
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for many collections? Tony Johnson 07-02-2015 - 21:27
  Funding vs. needs for transit PRR Gotham Limited 07-01-2015 - 18:08
  Re: Funding vs. needs for transit Cprr 07-02-2015 - 19:41
  Re: Funding vs. needs for transit OPRRMS 07-02-2015 - 21:07
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Chas 07-02-2015 - 20:31
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group Dr Zarkoff 07-02-2015 - 23:00
  Re: I think the writing is on the wall for Niles Canyon Group rusticmike 07-03-2015 - 06:54
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. BOB2 07-03-2015 - 07:49
  Re: NILES to HEARST via NCRy ... KRK 07-03-2015 - 08:11
  Re: Yes, Niles to Hearst- BOB2 07-03-2015 - 08:41
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Negin 07-03-2015 - 10:01
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Ee 07-03-2015 - 11:30
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Negin 07-03-2015 - 12:32
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. Ee 07-03-2015 - 13:02
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? Mr. Crazy 07-03-2015 - 15:04
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? mook 07-03-2015 - 15:55
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? Dr Zarkoff 07-03-2015 - 20:20
  Re: UP and ACE inspection train? Negin 07-03-2015 - 16:56
  Re: Mixed use-no way.....it will never happen. E 07-03-2015 - 17:33
  Xonstruction in the canyon Espee99 07-05-2015 - 07:51
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Mr. Crazy 07-05-2015 - 13:35
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Espee99 07-05-2015 - 15:16
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-05-2015 - 18:56
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon fkrock 07-06-2015 - 08:05
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 10:56
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon fkrock 07-06-2015 - 14:54
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 15:35
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Cainrockyardmaster 07-09-2015 - 18:09
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-09-2015 - 20:26
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon mook 07-06-2015 - 13:47
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 14:34
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon mook 07-06-2015 - 10:02
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 11:29
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon mook 07-06-2015 - 13:35
  Re: Xonstruction in the canyon Dr Zarkoff 07-06-2015 - 14:59


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