Now we're down to many of the NCRA train haters who seem to like to cite and/or assume as fact, things that those who have debated them on this, didn't actually even say. The goofy arguments at the beginning of this thread have been pretty much destroyed, so now they attack those who have presented real questions, arguments, and facts, by appeals to emotion, dubious "moral" arguments, or just distortions of what their opponent has said. Whatever is presented here doesn't really matter to these types, because the train haters just hate trains. We like trains on this site. It's a train fan site. So go find the train hater web site and post there.