Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect
Author: John Bruce
Date: 08-06-2023 - 07:14

You can see pictures of the approach to the Hanford viaduct under construction at [buildhsr.com] This is going to be a grade no matrer how you slice it. There are two major viaducts in the 119 mile route, plus other smaller ones. Just looking at the CP-1 construction photos, there seem to be three or four other jumpovers just between Fresno and Madera, with visible grades. I would estimate a dozen or more over the 119 miles. Standard discussions simply give 2-1/2% to 4% grades for high speed rail engineering. These simply aren't meant for diesel-hauled trains, and even at 110-125 mph maximum, they are each going to bring average speed down so that actual time saved between Madera and Bakersfield will at the very best be only minutes, at a cost of billions. And what will be the effect of reparations, health care for the undocumented, and other projected state programs on completion of LA-SFO?



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? Commenter 08-02-2023 - 20:53
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... BOB2 08-03-2023 - 09:18
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... John Bruce 08-03-2023 - 14:21
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... John Bruce 08-03-2023 - 14:36
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... FUD 08-03-2023 - 15:38
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... Beaver Cleaver 08-03-2023 - 22:59
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... FUD 08-03-2023 - 15:45
  Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes But 4% grades are not a problem 08-03-2023 - 19:46
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes John Bruce 08-04-2023 - 10:04
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes Clem 08-04-2023 - 19:43
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes John Bruce 08-05-2023 - 07:27
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes Transportation Planner 08-05-2023 - 08:15
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes FUD 08-05-2023 - 09:12
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes FUD 08-05-2023 - 09:13
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes Transportation Planner 08-05-2023 - 10:28
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes John Bruce 08-05-2023 - 09:14
  BOB2, can you weigh in on this "Short 4% grades will kill travel time" nonsense? Jimmie 08-05-2023 - 14:19
  I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect Jimmie 08-05-2023 - 14:22
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect John Bruce 08-05-2023 - 15:15
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect FUD 08-05-2023 - 16:20
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect John Bruce 08-06-2023 - 07:14
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect FUD 08-06-2023 - 08:46
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BOB2 08-05-2023 - 19:10
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. Blathering bob 08-06-2023 - 09:09
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BOB2 08-06-2023 - 09:29
  Re: Hey look the doped up latent repressed mentally ill troll is posing as BOB2 again... BOB2 08-06-2023 - 10:36
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. Chris Walker 08-06-2023 - 14:46
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... BOB2 08-06-2023 - 15:29
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... BLOB222 08-07-2023 - 09:35
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-07-2023 - 14:27
  Re: Well, about dynamiters.... And trolls... BOB2 08-07-2023 - 17:57
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-07-2023 - 20:36
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-08-2023 - 04:32
  Re: As usual, I only knew the effects... The good Doctor knew the cause.... BOB2 08-08-2023 - 06:52
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-08-2023 - 13:42
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-08-2023 - 14:56
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-08-2023 - 15:50
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-08-2023 - 18:49
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-08-2023 - 23:59
  Re: Well, about the F3 Dr. Z. Chris Walker 08-12-2023 - 02:59
  Re: Well, about the F3 Dr. Z. Dr Zarkoff 08-12-2023 - 12:02
  Re: Well, about the F3 Dr. Z. Chris Walker 08-12-2023 - 18:01
  Re: Well, about the F3 Dr. Z. Dr Zarkoff 08-12-2023 - 19:20
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-07-2023 - 15:19
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BLOB222 08-07-2023 - 09:30
  Re: Did Nancy work for the RR before your mental illness and dope forced you to live in mom's basement and become a troll??Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BOB2 08-07-2023 - 12:19
  Bob2 can name call all he wants! He's still a moron BLOB222 08-09-2023 - 07:24
  Re: You must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BOB2 08-09-2023 - 18:08
  Re: You must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BOB420.69 08-09-2023 - 19:30
  Re: You must have scored some more dope Nancy.... Yep, I guess so... BOB2 08-09-2023 - 19:36
  Re: bob2 must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BLOB222 08-10-2023 - 17:25
  Re: bob2 must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BLOB222 08-10-2023 - 17:25
  Re: bob2 must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BLOB222 08-10-2023 - 17:25
  Re: Oh Nancy did this turn you on? BOB2 08-10-2023 - 18:26
  Re: Oh Nancy did this turn you on? BOB2 08-11-2023 - 11:22
  Re: Name calling is all you got! BLOB222 08-11-2023 - 13:03
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. Wacko Taco 08-07-2023 - 12:54
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. John Bruce 08-06-2023 - 14:49
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. FUD 08-06-2023 - 19:33


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