Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal....
Author: Chris Walker
Date: 08-08-2023 - 14:56

Thank you Dr Zarkoff for the technical bits of the valves, that makes sense now.



>> Once you'd brought the speed down to a D/B holding speed?

>You either keep trains speed to track speed or stop.

Maybe you guys did, with the luxury of sg equipment.

Not so with 325 max amps D/B rated EMD G-12 and 6SL brake; on 2% the Matamau grade with 530 tons of 4-wheeled 17tonners(often overloaded as well). If you went over the top at 50kmh track speed there you were never going to hold that lot and pull it down to the 30kmh speed restriction on the Piripiri Viaduct(Trestle) even with the 45kmh reverse curves to help on the approach. Those Fert traffic wagons had poor braking and often worn Triples with leaking across the face and thence undesired releasing on that wagon.
Whilst Loco assistant (firing) for various new Drivers on that job, I got a healthy understanding of what "she's all out" meant. :) I also got into the habit of placing Do Not Reload cards on any leakers while the Driver and Guard did the Terminal test before the homebound run.
Only the newer locos(and the Main Trunk Electrics) could hold full loads on grade(which we didn't have there, at the time).

>I don't know of any arrangement like this on a US RR, which should not be taken to mean none ever >existed. However, timed signals are/were quite common on rapid transit operations (NYC, Boston, >Chicago, etc.).


Saluda comes to mind, with the runaway Siding at the base of grade; read about that in a Trains mag. yonks ago.

regards

Chris
in New Zealand



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  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... John Bruce 08-03-2023 - 14:21
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... John Bruce 08-03-2023 - 14:36
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... FUD 08-03-2023 - 15:38
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... Beaver Cleaver 08-03-2023 - 22:59
  Re: Event: Complete California High-Speed Rail in Five Years? LMAO... I love the developer and contractor funded new urbanist "front groups" for their optimism.... FUD 08-03-2023 - 15:45
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  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes Clem 08-04-2023 - 19:43
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes John Bruce 08-05-2023 - 07:27
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  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes FUD 08-05-2023 - 09:12
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes FUD 08-05-2023 - 09:13
  Re: Rumor was CHSR would poison pill the segment by building to standards that can't support the weight of traditional diesels or dual modes Transportation Planner 08-05-2023 - 10:28
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  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect John Bruce 08-05-2023 - 15:15
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect FUD 08-05-2023 - 16:20
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect John Bruce 08-06-2023 - 07:14
  Re: I thought high speed rail didn't use steep grades on short segments precisely to avoid the rollercoaster effect FUD 08-06-2023 - 08:46
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  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. Blathering bob 08-06-2023 - 09:09
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BOB2 08-06-2023 - 09:29
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  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. Chris Walker 08-06-2023 - 14:46
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... BOB2 08-06-2023 - 15:29
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... BLOB222 08-07-2023 - 09:35
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-07-2023 - 14:27
  Re: Well, about dynamiters.... And trolls... BOB2 08-07-2023 - 17:57
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-07-2023 - 20:36
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-08-2023 - 04:32
  Re: As usual, I only knew the effects... The good Doctor knew the cause.... BOB2 08-08-2023 - 06:52
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-08-2023 - 13:42
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-08-2023 - 14:56
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-08-2023 - 15:50
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-08-2023 - 18:49
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Dr Zarkoff 08-08-2023 - 23:59
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  Re: Well, about the F3 Dr. Z. Chris Walker 08-12-2023 - 18:01
  Re: Well, about the F3 Dr. Z. Dr Zarkoff 08-12-2023 - 19:20
  Re: Well, about the incident at the westbound Niland distant signal.... Chris Walker 08-07-2023 - 15:19
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BLOB222 08-07-2023 - 09:30
  Re: Did Nancy work for the RR before your mental illness and dope forced you to live in mom's basement and become a troll??Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. BOB2 08-07-2023 - 12:19
  Bob2 can name call all he wants! He's still a moron BLOB222 08-09-2023 - 07:24
  Re: You must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BOB2 08-09-2023 - 18:08
  Re: You must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BOB420.69 08-09-2023 - 19:30
  Re: You must have scored some more dope Nancy.... Yep, I guess so... BOB2 08-09-2023 - 19:36
  Re: bob2 must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BLOB222 08-10-2023 - 17:25
  Re: bob2 must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BLOB222 08-10-2023 - 17:25
  Re: bob2 must have scored some more dope Nancy.... BLOB222 08-10-2023 - 17:25
  Re: Oh Nancy did this turn you on? BOB2 08-10-2023 - 18:26
  Re: Oh Nancy did this turn you on? BOB2 08-11-2023 - 11:22
  Re: Name calling is all you got! BLOB222 08-11-2023 - 13:03
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. Wacko Taco 08-07-2023 - 12:54
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. John Bruce 08-06-2023 - 14:49
  Re: BOB2, can you weigh in on this? Are you sure? No, but no short four percent segment is going ot bring a 125 train down to 40 mph. in a half a mile of 4% grade. FUD 08-06-2023 - 19:33


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