Re: Blame the Employees
Author: John Bruce
Date: 12-07-2008 - 13:28

Here's a question on supervision. The other day I watched a Metrolink leave Glendale with the engineer in the F59PH. I could see the engineer clearly through the cab window. His posture indicated he was paying attention and observing the track ahead, including signal indications.

But if he'd been texting, it seems to me that would have been very clear, too. People who text are focused on the cell phone keyboard. He would have had the cell phone visible, and he would have been punching on the keyboard in front of him. Especially in an F59PH, this would be very visible from lineside.

This would have been several rule violations at once, including use of a personal cell phone, not focusing on the job, not following the safe course. One nickname for railroad supervisor is "weed weasel". Sanchez was in the habit of texting the teenage groupies for some weeks, and he did it many times a day. So where was the supervisor who should have seen pretty clearly, over a period of weeks at least, what Sanchez was doing?

It seems to me that OPRRMS is concentrating on an NTSB view of the accident, but there are other views, especially from a reasonable person's non-rail perspective: certainly, in fact, there will be lawsuits against Metrolink and Veolia for "failure to supervise".



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-03-2008 - 22:04
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 08:03
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Q4U 12-04-2008 - 10:06
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 11:30
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez... (KTLA Link) Jon 12-04-2008 - 12:37
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:23
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Cain Rock Yardmaster 12-06-2008 - 03:47
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] J 12-04-2008 - 12:31
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Drew Jacksich 12-04-2008 - 17:07
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] One guess 12-04-2008 - 18:24
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] CWLee 12-05-2008 - 00:51
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:18
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] BOB2 12-08-2008 - 17:38
  Re: signals pedo viejo 12-04-2008 - 19:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Extra Board 12-04-2008 - 22:04
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:33
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 14:05
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:02
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:44
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:41
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:30
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:01
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:16
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:42
  Re: John Bruce and other dips oprrms 12-07-2008 - 15:50
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Clovis Man 12-08-2008 - 14:46
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:39
  Re: John Bruce and other dips almo 12-08-2008 - 23:18
  Re: John Bruce and other dips T Judah 12-05-2008 - 00:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:47
  Re: signals Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:22
  Re: signals George Andrews 12-05-2008 - 11:51
  Re: "Roomie" Bruce Kelly 12-05-2008 - 12:06
  Re: signals OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 13:11
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 14:56
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:06
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 19:01
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Curious 12-05-2008 - 22:39
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2008 - 23:10
  Atwood - reference links OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 23:33
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:51
  Blame the Employees cajon 12-06-2008 - 13:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 14:07
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:09
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:36
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:47
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-07-2008 - 12:51
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:19
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:11
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 00:56
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:07
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:30
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 18:42
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:28
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:23
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:26
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 16:33
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:02
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-09-2008 - 19:03
  Re: Blame the Employees Extra Board 12-08-2008 - 21:30
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 14:18
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 14:45
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 18:07
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 18:32
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:41
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:12
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:44
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:51
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley AARDVARK 12-07-2008 - 06:19
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley vs. - the good old days... George Andrews 12-07-2008 - 10:26
  More Grist For The Mill Holly Gibson 12-13-2008 - 02:24
  Re: More Grist For The Mill Extra Board 12-14-2008 - 11:57


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