Re: John Bruce and other dips
Author: John Bruce
Date: 12-06-2008 - 15:01

OPRRMS wrote "My understanding is that Sanchez had a clean discipline record." Well, quite possibly -- I read on another board that Veolia/Metrolink crews had essentially dropped the practice of calling signals. This is borne out by I believe a report in the LA Times that immediately after the Chatsworth tragedy, Veolia sent out an internal memo saying that crews really ought to be calling signals after all.

So we have what by the accounts that get into these kinds of discussions a system-wide laxity over calling signals. Can't see any other good explanation -- the flashing yellow and the yellow prior to the stop at Chatsworth weren't called, for instance. Both Sanchez and the conductor were in violation of that rule.

Now, if this were a general thing, OPRRMS, wouldn't a supervisor out on the road notice it on his or her radio? Apparently railfans were completely aware of it on their scanners. Seems to me that lots of rule violations must have been going unnoticed -- so how could a lot of these guys help but have clean discipline records? I mean, just from the events of the past month or so, seems like guys on Amtrak and Metrolink both have clean discipline records, right up until they sideswipe a freight after not reducing speed at a yellow, or until they fail a banner test, or until they back up after running a red down in sunny Florida.

You've said they can't be everywhere -- but they gotta be somewhere.



Subject Written By Date/Time (PST)
  Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-03-2008 - 22:04
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 08:03
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Q4U 12-04-2008 - 10:06
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] John Bruce 12-04-2008 - 11:30
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez... (KTLA Link) Jon 12-04-2008 - 12:37
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:23
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Cain Rock Yardmaster 12-06-2008 - 03:47
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] J 12-04-2008 - 12:31
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] Drew Jacksich 12-04-2008 - 17:07
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] One guess 12-04-2008 - 18:24
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] CWLee 12-05-2008 - 00:51
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:18
  Re: Autopsy report on Engr. Sanchez [LA Times link] BOB2 12-08-2008 - 17:38
  Re: signals pedo viejo 12-04-2008 - 19:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Extra Board 12-04-2008 - 22:04
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-04-2008 - 22:33
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 14:05
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:02
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:44
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:41
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:30
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:01
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:16
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:42
  Re: John Bruce and other dips oprrms 12-07-2008 - 15:50
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:36
  Re: John Bruce and other dips Clovis Man 12-08-2008 - 14:46
  Re: John Bruce and other dips OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:39
  Re: John Bruce and other dips almo 12-08-2008 - 23:18
  Re: John Bruce and other dips T Judah 12-05-2008 - 00:43
  Re: John Bruce and other dips John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 13:47
  Re: signals Dr Zarkoff 12-04-2008 - 23:22
  Re: signals George Andrews 12-05-2008 - 11:51
  Re: "Roomie" Bruce Kelly 12-05-2008 - 12:06
  Re: signals OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 13:11
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 14:56
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-05-2008 - 15:06
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Extra Board 12-05-2008 - 19:01
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Curious 12-05-2008 - 22:39
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley Dr Zarkoff 12-05-2008 - 23:10
  Atwood - reference links OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 23:33
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 07:51
  Blame the Employees cajon 12-06-2008 - 13:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 14:07
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:50
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:09
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:36
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 07:47
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-07-2008 - 12:51
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:19
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:11
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 00:56
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:07
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:30
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 18:42
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-07-2008 - 13:28
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-07-2008 - 16:23
  Re: Blame the Employees John Bruce 12-08-2008 - 07:26
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-08-2008 - 16:33
  Re: Blame the Employees OPRRMS 12-08-2008 - 19:02
  Re: Blame the Employees Dr Zarkoff 12-09-2008 - 19:03
  Re: Blame the Employees Extra Board 12-08-2008 - 21:30
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 14:18
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 14:45
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! George Andrews 12-09-2008 - 18:07
  Re: Blame the Employees J.B. vs. OPRRMS SMACKDOWN !!! OPRRMS 12-09-2008 - 18:32
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 14:41
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley John Bruce 12-06-2008 - 15:12
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-06-2008 - 18:44
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley OPRRMS 12-05-2008 - 22:51
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley AARDVARK 12-07-2008 - 06:19
  Re: LA Times today-Aldus Huxley vs. - the good old days... George Andrews 12-07-2008 - 10:26
  More Grist For The Mill Holly Gibson 12-13-2008 - 02:24
  Re: More Grist For The Mill Extra Board 12-14-2008 - 11:57


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